Gay Marriage

Post by **Dogmeatlives** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:16 pm

"When I was in the military they gave me a medal for killing two men and a discharge for loving one. " -Matlovich

IMO I would not be opposed to gay marriage being legalized. Frankly, I don't give a shit. Never saw the sanctity in marriage anyway, but there is an important question that lingers for me. Would it not be socially damaging for gay marriages to be legally recognized? I do not know. There are many who would call that question "ignorant", but how can we really know?

Thor Kaufman · Post by **Thor Kaufman** » Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:55 pm

Marriage is stupid, anyway. Just let the fags marry

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:44 am

107% of marriage ends in acrimonious, financially and/or psychologically costly divorce and/or death.

I cannot comprehend why anyone should be prohibited from involvement.

Frater Perdurabo · Post by **Frater Perdurabo** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:52 am

What Blargh said

Anyway, society's gone so far down the shitter that I don't see how we could possibly be any worse off. Also, gays are around and have always been around. Keeping gay marriage illegal is not going to make them disappear all of a sudden and I doubt that we'll see like a massive soar in the numbers of fags if we do legalize it.

Post by **Dogmeatlives** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 5:57 am

I agree and kinda figured you peeps would feel the same.

Post by **Retlaw83** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:12 am

I lean towards the idea of same-sex civil unions that grant all the rights of marriage over gay marriages. The difference? My spinster aunts who have been living together for their entire adult lives could get a same sex civil union and probably save some cash come tax time, or they could share medical benefits from one job.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:23 am

It's funny that in the "cradle of freedom", this can actually be an issue of any degree.
It's all okay, even we've been doing this shit for ages. Let it be, let it be...
Seriously: there's no reason why to KEEP it illegal. It's just plain absurd.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:13 pm

Marriage is both a legal document and an institution in some communions(churches, temples and the like). I don't see why people should be denied the possibility to acquire more legal obligations on themselves, if they so wish. As for a marital ceremony, I'd say it's pretty much up to the churches themselves. It's not a legal issue per se. You don't see White Pride organizations accepting negros as members, either. Discrimination is a right, too.

It really boils down to separating church from state, thus making a distinction between religion and law.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:20 pm

Well, yeah, the 'marriage' I was speaking of was a 100 % institutional term. No religion, no morales involved. Just a legal, binding contract between two condescending adults, who want the benefits of double income, tax evasion and other privileges offered to married couples.

Superhaze · Post by **Superhaze** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:27 pm

What kashluk said. Minus the pro-gay marriage stuff.

Actually, let them shag with the blessing of state or church. Dont care. Not my business.

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Thu Dec 11, 2008 8:38 pm

You should be able to marry your job and get tax benefits. If you die, all your earthly possessions becomes property of your employer. In addition, lawyers would profit from man-corporate divorce cases. :capitalist wonderland:

cazsim83 · Post by **cazsim83** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 12:26 am

All marriages end.

spokomptonjdub · Post by **spokomptonjdub** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 1:41 am

VasikkA wrote:Marriage is both a legal document and an institution in some communions(churches, temples and the like). I don't see why people should be denied the possibility to acquire more legal obligations on themselves, if they so wish. As for a marital ceremony, I'd say it's pretty much up to the churches themselves. It's not a legal issue per se. You don't see White Pride organizations accepting negros as members, either. Discrimination is a right, too.

It really boils down to separating church from state, thus making a distinction between religion and law.

Agree.

I don't think the state should define marriage, only offer a civil contract between two people, regardless of the sexes/races/classes/etc involved. If people want the ceremony and the celebration, find a church that will host such an event and do it, outside of state laws.

That way, the hardliners can refuse to perform same-sex marriages in their churches, and the gays can go to an episcopalian church or something and have their ceremony there... or Vegas

MadBill · Post by **MadBill** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 3:06 pm

VasikkA wrote:You should be able to marry your job and get tax benefits. If you die, all your earthly possessions becomes property of your employer. In addition, lawyers would profit from man-corporate divorce cases. :capitalist wonderland:

Lol. Best idea of the 21st century.

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 6:44 pm

Legalizing gay marriage makes being gay completely acceptable practice. They say that teachers teaching kids about gay marraige in school is completely false but that doesn't stop it from becoming a politically correct term that gay marraige is as equal as heterosexual marraige.

I think for most people it's mainly about preventing their kid from being tempted to become gay if there was any doubt in their mind. If society accepts gay marraige then young people feel like its okay for them to experiment and stuff. Just imagine finding out your son is gay, you want to do all you can to prevent that.

They should fight for better domestic partnership rights and kind of forget the church idea since most churches don't even want to marry them.

Aonaran · Post by **Aonaran** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:29 pm

Civil Unions are cool. I don't see anything wrong with that. Gay Marriage can work if the religion in question does not oppose them. I think separation of Church and State should work both ways, the government should not have any say in the matter.

Edit: Oops, just bothered to read the thread.

:rehash:

VasikkA · Post by **VasikkA** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 7:51 pm

Aonaran wrote:Church and State should swing both ways

Now I'm confused.

St. Toxic · Post by **St. Toxic** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:39 pm

How about letting gays marry if they marry a straight person, and thus become 50% less gay? You have to compromise a bit with these things.

Post by **Retlaw83** » Fri Dec 12, 2008 11:34 pm

Let's make gay marriage mandatory, even if you aren't gay or don't want to get married.

Our first couple will be Mrsnake and Entertainer.

Kashluk · Post by **Kashluk** » Sat Dec 13, 2008 10:52 am

POOPERSCOOPER wrote:Just imagine finding out your son is gay, you want to do all you can to prevent that.

Umm, no? Whether nor not my child is a good person has absolutely nothing to do with his/her sexual preferences. Things like honesty, perseverance, dignity, empathy and righteousness are what I'm planning on teaching my kids and those things are what determine whether or not I've been succesful as a parent or not. If I have a son and he sucks dicks, it's his own business. So my genes won't be passed on by him, big deal? I don't like sex between men, seeing gay porn makes me nauseous, but then again so does scat, bondage and women eating cum like there's no tomorrow. It's just one small slice of personality that happens to be some sort of a taboo over the Atlantic? You silly people.

My Mrs. got this Science magazine come to our place every month, it's got some really interesting articles every once in a while. This month there was a big article on how little education and parenting actually effect your sexual preferences. Having a big brother actually matters more, since some of your mother's hormones decrease steadily after each (boy) birth. So if your mom's got five sons and you're the youngest, you're pretty likely into boy love. Education can be oppressive, though, and if you got people telling you it's a sin, immoral, illegal and generally nasty to be sexually different, you can suppress your feelings and thus become one really fucked-up sicko. Imagine it the other way around: living in a culture where homosexuality is the norm (procreation is 'an obligatory evil', to continue the species, done every once in a while as civil duty) and you just happen to be heterosexual. You look at boobs in lust and no one wants to your friend anymore. You marry Hairy-Harry next door and let him take you up in the ass just to keep up the scenery of a happy man-couple.