Religious Opinions (Again)

[Calal]

Heh, must be because they know that you know where they live.

[requiem_for_a_starfury]

Funny thing is we say hello when passing in the foyer, but if I see them in town they still try stop me and try their spiel.

Reminds me of a time 15yrs ago, there used to be a real hot bird that I'd see around, in the town I used to live in, one day she stopped me in the street and started in with the 'do you believe in Jesus' etc etc. Boy was I disappointed, and torn between getting away as fast as I could or letting her try and convert me while I tried to chat her up.

[ExtremeDrinker]

My ex fiancee was a Jehovas Whitness...Her mother was hardcore..She banned me from coming to their house because I was evil...(They're not supposed to date outside their religion, and I was on the verge of marrying her daughter)...

These people don't bother me much..I guess because the mother in this situation was a raging alcoholic, and I was fucking her one and only. Maybe that's how to get rid of them..

If you won't join 'em, fuck 'em.

EDIT: Wow...This just reminded me of another ex I've got...She used to talk "Jesus" to me while we were having sex....That was kind of a weird situation, too..I'd be going down on her, and afterwards, she'd start talking about how we're sinners and we need to be married before we do anything like that again...So I'd start going down on her again...And afterwards she'd start in on the "Why don't you love Jesus?" thing....

Maybe it was her "subtle" way of trying to convert me through orgasm.

[iohkus]

i knew a guy in highschool who asked a girl out to prom but she told him "sorry, you're not christian" so the guy did the next best thing, asked the girl's sister out who was 3 years younger and it worked.

PWNED

btw it wasn't me.

[spyder07]

My dad came to the door drinking a beer when some mormons came. Funny shit, they just kinda backed away after the "How you ladies doing? You want me to get ya a beer?"

I hate the whole "love Jesus, Praise Jesus" bullshit. They can crame that whole nonsensical crap.

Next time one of those groups comes a knocking, I'm going for the "Look, I've still got 20 minutes with the hooker so could you guys come back in while?"

[iohkus]

hahaz.

[InvisibleMonkey]

I"ve gotten to the point where I just don't care to debate religion with people. they can believe what they want, I don't care. Just as long as they don't try to force their religious beliefs on me.

[ExtremeDrinker]

Paul Rubens needs to start his own cult. He's already got a good following...All he needs are some whacked out beliefs, and people would be all over him.

Your avatar kills me every time I see it.

[iohkus]

Heh, must be because they know that you know where they live.

wtf does everyone play bass now, every fucking avatar i see is a guy with a bass guitar

i want a picture of me with a fucking bass or guitar

[Alphawulf]

Isn't Nihilism a political way of thinking, i.e. destroy politics and society? If it is, I enjoy my society, society allows me to post on this forum, society ensured that almost everything around me is here, and without "society" there would be only simple moronic nomads in the world. Fallout was brought to you by society, specifically the social aspect of entertainment and business and where they fit in with society. Without society there would be no Nihilism or computers, cars, cities, technology, medicine, movies, basically everything.

You no longer have to feel guilt or feel remorse for things you did because you realize that morality is just a control mechanism.

That's just plain wrong. If I were to shoot your family (which I wouldn't cause that's not moral and I have no desire to kill anyone) wouldn't that be "WRONG"?

Not really. You must have read some erroneous information, then. It's the belief in nothing, but it doesn't mean "HEY KIDDIES, I'M A NIHILIST SO I'M GONNA SUICIDE." But yes, it is the denial of love because love doesn't exist. Love is just about sex, most of the stuff added to it by society is emotional baggage that doesn't exist.

Does that mean I care more about your family than you do?

I really enjoyed the line "there would be no Nihilism" because Nihilism IS nothing. It's not like it has any rules or anything to learn. It's just the denial of everything. Anyone could come up with that at any given time.

You've been watching too many movies. What I said is true, If ancient civilazations just never existed or evolved then neither of us would've been born, nor would some crazy ass Nihilism beliefs or whatever the hell it is (nothing?). Nihilism says nothing exists. So you guys don't believe in science, justice, fairness, or advancing society.

I'm an animal, I have biological purposes, which is sex. Mating is the only real rule of thumb in this world. It's a natural function. Trying to remove your natural impulses is stupid.

You can't be an animal or biological since, A. Those are terms developed by society, and B. You don't exist.

So you don't care about your family I assume, since they don't exist. And since this forum doesn't exist and is a product of society you shouldn't be using to spread your Nihilism ideas. Nihilists should WAKE UP

[Neon Dingo]

nihilism is just fucking stupid, if you read into it it's the belief of nothing, no life, no love, no family, no fun.

Not really. You must have read some erroneous information, then. It's the belief in nothing, but it doesn't mean "HEY KIDDIES, I'M A NIHILIST SO I'M GONNA SUICIDE." But yes, it is the denial of love because love doesn't exist. Love is just about sex, most of the stuff added to it by society is emotional baggage that doesn't exist.

None of the concepts man has created exist. It's all a bunch of abstract stuff that doesn't really help you biologically.

So does Nihilism mean a dark, depressing, life of futility? Hardly!

It's the ultimate freedom of the mind, as stupid as that sounds. You no longer have to feel guilt or feel remorse for things you did because you realize that morality is just a control mechanism.

but u can go around saying you're a nihilist if it makes u feel cool

Yeah, and you can also go around saying you're a Pagan, a Satanist, or a Christian to make yourself feel cool. How is Nihilism any different? Sure, a lot of angsty teens pick it up because they world has dealt them nothing but shit. Then again, they oftentimes prove to me that they don't know jack shit about what they "believe" in. Pretty irrelevant point, in my opinion.

i thought i was a nihilist, then i realized that i was straight and one day would want to fuck a woman. see, you can't do that if you're a real nihilist, you would have jumped in a pit of fire before getting laid.

What? You realized you were straight? I don't get what point you're trying to make here. How does Nihilism say you're not allowed to have sex? I can't quite figure that out. I'm an animal, I have biological purposes, which is sex. Mating is the only real rule of thumb in this world. It's a natural function. Trying to remove your natural impulses is stupid.

Nihilism is the belief in nothing, so in that case it means you can do whatever you want. Am I going to go bone some guy in the ass because I can do whatever I want? No, of course not. Your sole purpose on the planet is to spread your seed. Having sex for reproductive purposes is the worship of life. But no, society has driven something so inherently normal out as "weird" and "wrong" and they've pulled the wool over our eyes and our natural instincts.

Denying this is a waste of time and is pointless because everything outside of breeding and eating is pretty much meaningless, as depressing as that may be. People that need the lie drug to cope with that reality do not understand. Religion was invented so people could find hope in their lives. Same goes for law, spirituality, and morality. They're all directly linked.

"And man said let there be God."

Nihilism doesn't mean you have to kill yourself. That goes against your biological imperative. Nihilism just means deleting the artificial "meaning" out of your life and realizing that you are nothing more than a highly intelligent animal.

Isn't Nihilism a political way of thinking, i.e. destroy politics and society? If it is, I enjoy my society, society allows me to post on this forum, society ensured that almost everything around me is here, and without "society" there would be only simple moronic nomads in the world. Fallout was brought to you by society, specifically the social aspect of entertainment and business and where they fit in with society. Without society there would be no Nihilism or computers, cars, cities, technology, medicine, movies, basically everything.

Yes, political Nihilism is. I don't enjoy society, so I'm going to have to disagree with you here on all counts.

Nihilism takes up the slack where Anarchism fails. Anarchism is stupid because it tries to pull out the weed (government) but leaves the roots (society).

No Fallout? Why not live Fallout for real instead of sitting in a computer chair participating in fake realities?

The only reason you say this is because you've lived a life of decadence, excess, and prosperity and you absolutely cannot give it up. All animals are inherently lazy and take the easy way out if possible.

Wake up.

I really enjoyed the line "there would be no Nihilism" because Nihilism IS nothing. It's not like it has any rules or anything to learn. It's just the denial of everything. Anyone could come up with that at any given time.

www.counterorder.com - Good Nihilism site. Read it if you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

[iohkus]

*big breath*

If everyone was a nihilist, nothing would get accomplished in the world since we're all animals right? There'd be no technological progress or peace of any sort. And all the day to day calm and peace we take for granted would collapse out in favour of theft, rape, murder.

Sure, talking about a fallout atmosphere is good and fun because of the obvious appeal of adventure, but do you really want to be in the wasteland having to worry about food, gangs and raiders killing you, killing your parents, raping your mother etc.?

Society is a product of evolution, and we may be animals physically but we've evolved to the point where we can lengthen our lives and the better the comfort and quality of life through technology that could not happen without the co-operation of people and society

Saying society and morality are artificial and therefore should not exist is a contradiction to the way of life you enjoy so much because then all artificial advances whether technological or sociological would be illegitimate such as medicine, filtering the water you drink, the toilet paper you use to wipe your ass, the computer you’re using.

Without society we would still be nomadic tribal fucks, killing, raping each other with advances limited to the length of our lives like using a stick to beat someone’s skull in, fuck we wouldn’t even be able to speak aside from grunts. Sure living in fallout looks cool, but even that is a fucking form of society, look at all the towns and shit in that game

living in modern society > living in the wasteland because there’s nothing worse than living in a world that offers no hope for protection/peace.

The world is fucked and there’s no denying that, but no where nearly as fucked as Fallout’s

*exhale*

[Wolfman Walt]

Out of curiousity......if you're Nihilist and really only care about your biological functions and such, why are you here? Why bother posting? It has no purpose other then to entertain you, which is pretty much not neccesary according to you.

[ExtremeDrinker]

Nihilism is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. That link you gave proves it. Read their definition. It's a contradiction of itself...:

A common (but misleading) description of nihilism is the 'belief in nothing'. Instead, a far more useful one would substitute 'faith' for 'belief' where faith is defined as the "firm belief in something for which there is no proof." A universal definition of nihilism could then well be the rejection of that which requires faith for salvation or actualization and would span to include anything from theology to secular ideology.

However the fact remains that the definition of Nihilism is "belief in nothing" or as they put it "faith in nothing" They deny faith, but they have faith that there is no faith. Stupid shit, right there. Can't even get the definition of their disbelief right.

This site goes so far as to compare Nihilism with Buddhism...

nihilism is a passive world view which revolves around such topics as suffering, and futility, and even has connections to Eastern mysticism like Buddhism. In a more direct sense, existential 'social' nihilism is manifest within the sense of isolation, futility, angst and the hopelessness of existence increasingly prevalent within the modern digital world sometimes referred to as the 'downward spiral'. A direct way to describe it might be 'detachment from everything'

How is this ANYTHING AT ALL like Buddhism? Seriously..Nihilism is worthless...And to be a nihilist negates the possibility of being a nihilist. "I'm a nihilist" means "I don't believe in anything" but you believe in a label (nihilism) to describe your particular lack of belief in anything. Nihilism is a paradox and a contradiction of itself.

[Ghetto Goose]

I don't really see the point in debating religious stuff anymore

The very fact that you've posted more than just that sentence contradicts what you said.

Now, the rest of you.

Why be so negative? I mean, I agree with you on some points. I don't like other people forcing their religions on me. I don't like it when other people's religions interfere with my everyday life. But I don't spit on christmas carolers. I don't despise all religions. My opinion is, whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't make someone else unhappy. As far as religion, anyway.

Drinker, I agree with alot of what you said, but you generalized alot. Not all catholics are pedophiles, not all christians are assholes, etc.

Anyway, thats my opinion thing.

[Neon Dingo]

And the uphill battle continues...

If everyone was a nihilist, nothing would get accomplished in the world since we're all animals right? There'd be no technological progress or peace of any sort. And all the day to day calm and peace we take for granted would collapse out in favour of theft, rape, murder.

What's so useful about technological progress? Honestly? Where does it go? What does it lead to? Longer, more pointless lives? Pornography at the speed of light? Vibrating sex toys?

We've become enslaved by our dependance on technology. Technology is good when it is practical and it doesn't create atrophy, but some of the shit they're inventing these days is just rediculous.

We're soon to become the victims of our own prosperity. You can't really deny that. Humanity will fall one day as a result of their arrogance. Nothing lasts forever.

(Well, unless you believe in Heaven, in which case you're a dumbass.)

Sure, talking about a fallout atmosphere is good and fun because of the obvious appeal of adventure, but do you really want to be in the wasteland having to worry about food, gangs and raiders killing you, killing your parents, raping your mother etc.?

*shrug*

Society is a product of evolution, and we may be animals physically but we've evolved to the point where we can lengthen our lives and the better the comfort and quality of life through technology that could not happen without the co-operation of people and society

Meh. Giving old people pacemakers or feeding the needy has no point. It defeats the purpose of natural selection.

It's that whole Judeo-Christian mindset that puts the weak above the strong. It's all bullshit.

Saying society and morality are artificial and therefore should not exist is a contradiction to the way of life you enjoy so much because then all artificial advances whether technological or sociological would be illegitimate such as medicine, filtering the water you drink, the toilet paper you use to wipe your ass, the computer you’re using.

What made you think I enjoy my way of life and all the modern conveniences? Sure, they're great, but they just create unnecessary laziness.

Populations are surging. Tension is escalating. The cancer is spreading. Things are becoming more crowded and diseased.

When it gets to the point where everyone is suffocating each other, that's when the shit hits the fan.

Without society we would still be nomadic tribal fucks, killing, raping each other with advances limited to the length of our lives like using a stick to beat someone’s skull in, fuck we wouldn’t even be able to speak aside from grunts. Sure living in fallout looks cool, but even that is a fucking form of society, look at all the towns and shit in that game

Modern "civilized" man is so arrogant, so selfish, as to think that they're actually different from their tribal ancestors. We still do that same shit today, but we do it in the guise of religion or we say "it's the right thing to do." What makes conquering a nation, subduing the people, and forcing a belief system on them any different from what we did as tribals? They did the exact same thing, minus all the flashy bombs and the laser-guided technology.

We're no different from ants or chimpanzees. Quit lying to yourself.

Just because we read Shakespeare doesn't make us any better.

Besides, Shakespeare blows.

living in modern society > living in the wasteland because there’s nothing worse than living in a world that offers no hope for protection/peace.

Yeah, if you enjoy a life of artificiality, urban decay, conformity, and "safety," modern society is right up your alley.

People have become soft, plain and simple. No longer will they readily defend themselves but they'll put their lives in someone else's hands. No longer will they cook their own meals or hunt for their own food. Our "intelligence" has had a detrimental effect on our biology because our arrogant attitudes have caused us to believe we are much more than animals when in fact, we are not.

If there's a problem then we have other people sweep it under the rug for us. This breeds weakness.

The world is fucked and there’s no denying that, but no where nearly as fucked as Fallout’s

I disagree with you on this. Fallout makes much more sense to me because life is simpler. It's without all the bullshit, such as office jobs, television, or taxes.

Your whole purpose in life is to live to survive. You don't live to fill your home with expensive Scandinavian furniture or to fry your brain on hallucinogens.

Out of curiousity......if you're Nihilist and really only care about your biological functions and such, why are you here? Why bother posting? It has no purpose other then to entertain you, which is pretty much not neccesary according to you.

*shrug* I guess it's not. Does it really matter though? Honestly? What else could I be doing right now that would be any better? Should I be shopping or doing my homework? Should I be out in the forest eating berries and living off of the wilderness to prove me point to you?

Oh wait, that would accomplish nothing.

Should I go back to the primitive all of the sudden because I want to seem credible or something? No. Society does not permit it.

Why am I posting here? Because I have nothing better to do.

Everything I do in my life I know doesn't matter, so why bother tying to
point out that I'm contradicting myself?

(Of course, I'm a Nihilist. All I'm supposed to do is sit in a dark corner listening to Linkin Park and cry.)

If you want a straight answer, posting on this forum is pointless, yes. I do it out of boredom.

Nihilism is the stupidest thing I've ever seen. That link you gave proves it. Read their definition. It's a contradiction of itself...:

A common (but misleading) description of nihilism is the 'belief in nothing'. Instead, a far more useful one would substitute 'faith' for 'belief' where faith is defined as the "firm belief in something for which there is no proof." A universal definition of nihilism could then well be the rejection of that which requires faith for salvation or actualization and would span to include anything from theology to secular ideology.

However the fact remains that the definition of Nihilism is "belief in nothing" or as they put it "faith in nothing" They deny faith, but they have faith that there is no faith. Stupid shit, right there. Can't even get the definition of their disbelief right.

what.

ni·hil·ism, n. 'nI-(h)&-"li-z&m, 'nE- (1817)
1 a : a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless b : a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths
2 a (1) : a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility (2) capitalized : the program of a 19th century Russian party advocating revolutionary reform and using terrorism and assassination b : TERRORISM

This site goes so far as to compare Nihilism with Buddhism...

nihilism is a passive world view which revolves around such topics as suffering, and futility, and even has connections to Eastern mysticism like Buddhism. In a more direct sense, existential 'social' nihilism is manifest within the sense of isolation, futility, angst and the hopelessness of existence increasingly prevalent within the modern digital world sometimes referred to as the 'downward spiral'. A direct way to describe it might be 'detachment from everything'

How is this ANYTHING AT ALL like Buddhism? Seriously..Nihilism is worthless...And to be a nihilist negates the possibility of being a nihilist. "I'm a nihilist" means "I don't believe in anything" but you believe in a label (nihilism) to describe your particular lack of belief in anything. Nihilism is a paradox and a contradiction of itself.

Do you think Buddhism is special or something?

Nihilism is just a label and I realize that. Labels are meaningless just like all words are meaningless, but it's the only way to communicate effectively with society to get my point across, hence I use a label.

What's the point in calling yourself a Nihilist and telling people about it? So they'll wake the fuck up. Do you seriously think the Nihilist movement would be effective in changing the minds of mindless peons if I didn't say anything at all?

I don't really understand how using a label negates my entire "philosophy." Feel free to fill me in on that one.

Also, way to broadly attack Nihilism based on one person's version of Nihilism (the author of that website).

It has some good ideas, but I never said it was a defininitve Bible to Nihilism, because of course, Nihilism is not a dogmatic belief.

The very fact that you've posted more than just that sentence contradicts what you said.

How did contradict myself? Care to explain something instead of just throwing it out there with nothing to back it up?

I'm not arguing religion here. I'm arguing about morality, society, etc. Maybe this is the wrong thread?

The religion arguements are tired. It's the same shit over and over. Rehash after rehash. It gets very old. I've participated in much more Atheism vs. Christianity debates than you can shake a stick at and I'm quite frankly not interested.

Christians and Jews, quit whining. We suffer for your crazy religion, and periodically you get put on crosses or thrown into ovens.

Another, and better Nihilism site: www.anus.com (No, it's not porn. It stands for American Nihilist Underground Society)

"It seems so important as you do what you do...but in the end no one remembers you..."

[iohkus]

wellz, atleast you can actually defend your stance

even if u believe in nihilism there's no point in sitting in the dark listening to linkin park crying, cuz frankly linkin park perma sux, if you're going to listen to something listen to velvet acid christ

personally i think it's a little extreme to declare oneself a nihilist, because i like my technology and such and wouldn't trade it for a short bruttish existence, so i just declare the world and its population as simply fucked and i try not to get bogged down by the world's failures

[ExtremeDrinker]

What's so useful about technological progress? Honestly? Where does it go? What does it lead to? Longer, more pointless lives? Pornography at the speed of light? Vibrating sex toys?

Why are you posting links to Nihilism sites? If technology is so worthless, why are Nihilists using the internet in the first place? Why do nihilists even have computers?

Technology brought you this message board. Technology brought you the video game Fallout which brought you to this message board. You obviously have feelings about Fallout..You obviously have feelings about Nihilism. Having feelings aren't something that Nihilists are supposed to have...Feelings bring innovation, and innovation to a Nihilist is worthless.

There's nothing to understand about Nihilism because belief in nothing is still a belief. You posted the link to the site as if it was the epitome of all things nihilistic. That's why I quoted from it. It was the first link you thought of and you said "Read it if you don't know what the hell you're talking about" That means you think this person knows what he's talking about...But in your reply to me, you said he was wrong.

Nihilism is a fundamentally flawed movement.

My opinion is, whatever makes you happy, as long as it doesn't make someone else unhappy. As far as religion, anyway.

Ghetto, that's just a good philosophy..Buddhists worldwide agree. I agree.

As for my generalized comments...Generalizations often hold a lot of truth. Chris Rock generalizes black people in his comedy. Anyone on BET generalizes white people (and it's funny as shit.) Television programs generalize life.

I write and illustrate books...I generalize things all the time. Generalization sells my books. I just got a job working with another author to illustrate her books. You've gotta know in general what the reading audience wants to see. If my art was purely subjective, I'd not sell a damn thing.

I know that has nothing to do with religion...But that was my rant on generalization.

I know not all Catholics fuck kids...I've got a lot of Catholic friends. We make fun of their religion all the time. As for Christians...I've never had a Christian friend...I tried to date a girl who was a "Christian"..After three days, she and her family decided that I was Satan. They weren't joking...They thought I was Satan. Even had a group from their church come to my house and try to abduct me to do an exorcism.

I've had a bad time with religion. Maybe it's just because I've lived in "The Bible Belt" all my life. It's warped me.

And YES...I hold Buddhism up very highly. I can find nothing at all wrong with the ideas behind it. You might say I've got a hard on for Buddha.

[Nuclear Gandhi]

ExtremeDrinker, Nihilism does not mean the rejection of technology OR society as a whole. You can be a Nihilist and not be a caveman.
Read more about the subject.

(Don't think that the first few paragraphs of that website that you visited was a summary of Nihilism, it is far too complex to be explained in just a page.)

" doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility."

Nihilism is something out of nothing. (The something being a more meaningful and practical life as opposed to a pointless, fake one. Nothing being the pointless, short lives we all live as animals on this Earth.) The replacement of an old and useless society whereupon a new, better society can rise out of the ashes.

[iohkus]

"Destruction is a form of creation" - Donnie Darko?

kthx?