The Zeitgeist movement
The Zeitgeist movement
Does anyone know more about the Zeitgeist movement? I got interested about it since I was asked to participate in a conferess called 'From the corruption of money towards viable solutions', which is organized by (and themes revolve around) Zeitgeist people. I took a quick look at their website and Wikipedia, but all I could gather was that it's some sort of a New-Age'ish communism manifesto which has kept the determinist view of history, but changed the stepping stones from worker's revolution and socialism to high-tech revolution and buddhist mumbo-jumbo(?). Everyone shares everything and there's no money. The banks are evil and they're corrupting the system and slowing us down as human beings. Sound familiar? Their forums are full of people planning to startup independent, self-sufficient compounds or colonies and live their life a new.
I'd wish to know if my first impressions are, more or less, correct or is there actually something deeper to this movement? The most alarming thing was that I've seen their material posted on the Uni campus as well, at the faculty of Economics. To think that someone who actually studies the subject would be drawn to this...
Links:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement
- http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
I'd wish to know if my first impressions are, more or less, correct or is there actually something deeper to this movement? The most alarming thing was that I've seen their material posted on the Uni campus as well, at the faculty of Economics. To think that someone who actually studies the subject would be drawn to this...
Links:
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Zeitgeist_Movement
- http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/
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That was my reaction too when a friend informed me that I absolutely MUST see this Zeitgeist film. "How could anyone educated even possibly buy into this?" The film simply exploits a few well known ideas such as the section on religion and its commonality of origin. Not revolutionary in any sense of the word but kind of like a Dan Brown novel the rhetoric manages to wrap enough "facts" around a bogus framework that they were never meant to resemble as a completed whole. Then, oh shit, does it ever pile on the conspiracy theory madness.
Its lunacy and I'm horrified to see that its gaining acceptance. They've polished their message quite a bit since its YouTube infancy but it seems no less retarded in the end.
Its lunacy and I'm horrified to see that its gaining acceptance. They've polished their message quite a bit since its YouTube infancy but it seems no less retarded in the end.
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I've never understood how people expect to live in peace with each other without needing some form of control. As much as I dislike institutions such as the FDA, they are (grudgingly) required, at least this day in age.
Also, this reminds me of the luddites. It was a group in the early industrial revolution that shunned all forms of the new and growing technology. Needless to say they didn't get anywhere.
Also, this reminds me of the luddites. It was a group in the early industrial revolution that shunned all forms of the new and growing technology. Needless to say they didn't get anywhere.
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I don't see why you guys are against this sort of thing... sure it's a bit paranoid, but it encourages people not to trust those in power. I think thats a hell of a good thing.
and with the amount of actual conspiracies that are known to be perpetrated by the powerful of the world, it's seems a bit odd when people are so willing to dismiss a new conspiracy.
I think ten years ago if someone had come out telling us that the U.S. was torturing prisoners it would have been a straight up crackpot theory, but the pictures came out and you cant dismiss them.
I, personally, am all for this Zeitgeist thing. The religion thing is most def regurgitated from known theories on the subject and the 9/11 thing, whether true or not, is a waste of time. The bit about a global government run by evil bankers.... I can see it.
and with the amount of actual conspiracies that are known to be perpetrated by the powerful of the world, it's seems a bit odd when people are so willing to dismiss a new conspiracy.
I think ten years ago if someone had come out telling us that the U.S. was torturing prisoners it would have been a straight up crackpot theory, but the pictures came out and you cant dismiss them.
I, personally, am all for this Zeitgeist thing. The religion thing is most def regurgitated from known theories on the subject and the 9/11 thing, whether true or not, is a waste of time. The bit about a global government run by evil bankers.... I can see it.
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I'm not saying their ideals in general are necessarily bad, i just think they're unrealistic. This quote addresses the beginnings of what all societies fear most, a rampant totalitarian government that gives rights only to those in power...
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -Thomas Jefferson
The weight of responsibility falls squarely on the people that make laws, I think if were going to find an equilibrium in government, we need to work on electing officials that listen to an established majority and concentrate more responsible people in government that actually care about what we want. At the same time, total control over a people is impossible without taking away individuals rights, too many differing opinions and motives of what should be common law.
But what they're proposing is an idealistic vision of anarchy, and I don't believe the average joe-shmoe is responsible enough to take into count the many and often difficult to stomach consequences of his actions.
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." -Thomas Jefferson
The weight of responsibility falls squarely on the people that make laws, I think if were going to find an equilibrium in government, we need to work on electing officials that listen to an established majority and concentrate more responsible people in government that actually care about what we want. At the same time, total control over a people is impossible without taking away individuals rights, too many differing opinions and motives of what should be common law.
But what they're proposing is an idealistic vision of anarchy, and I don't believe the average joe-shmoe is responsible enough to take into count the many and often difficult to stomach consequences of his actions.
Dogmeatlives, I'm not personally against critical thinking or authority questioning. I believe those are good and healthy things for a healthy individual to possess. The problem is with the movement itself: it's like a mixture of neo-communism and theocracy together in a science fiction utopia. The Zeitgeist-films speak against religion (opium for the masses), but then the Zeitgeist-movement is a religion in itself, spreading the 'gospel' of evil bankers and futuristic tomorrow-land with little to none factual evidence or plausible theories. The alternatives they propose do not seem to have anything to do with reality yet the movement's members (or followers) are passionate about the subject, even to the point of fanaticism. These are the things that worry me.
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Is population growth really that bad? The answer is that from a scientific perspective the earth can handle many, many times more people if need be, once high technology is harnessed.
Our avocation is to achieve a social system which operates without money or politics, while allowing superstition to work itself out as education flourishes.
HIGH TECHNOLOGY will save us all. Group hug world!In a true society, people would follow their natural inclinations and work to contribute to society not because they are "paid" for it, but because they have a greater awareness which recognizes that contributing to society helps them just as much as everyone else.
It isn't the right of any person to tell another what to believe, for no human has a full understanding of anything.
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isnt the quotored man wrong then as well, duhhhhh
"fire and forget missiles"
though i agree with idealism i also believe in the status quo as well as the band status quo; thoroughly already fucked. life flashing before your eyes as blood dribbles on optical nerves dude, its to late just wipe her off and get a haircut-
"fire and forget missiles"
though i agree with idealism i also believe in the status quo as well as the band status quo; thoroughly already fucked. life flashing before your eyes as blood dribbles on optical nerves dude, its to late just wipe her off and get a haircut-
CloudNineGT wrote:Is population growth really that bad? The answer is that from a scientific perspective the earth can handle many, many times more people if need be, once high technology is harnessed.Our avocation is to achieve a social system which operates without money or politics, while allowing superstition to work itself out as education flourishes.HIGH TECHNOLOGY will save us all. Group hug world!In a true society, people would follow their natural inclinations and work to contribute to society not because they are "paid" for it, but because they have a greater awareness which recognizes that contributing to society helps them just as much as everyone else.
It isn't the right of any person to tell another what to believe, for no human has a full understanding of anything.
People are dicks.
I have to be PAID, because I cannot trust the hive except to the extent that nobody else trusts the hive.
Sure, high tech can stretch resources, but it will be half-assed 11th Hour patches, not wise planning that will get implemented.
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sounds a bit like communism on steroids, especially the 'no property' part.
my reservations are that even though ideals can be commendable, in practise it can turn out to be a nightmare. Also unnatural acceleration of social change (getting rid of social structures like nations or religions (r-ous groups)) could be disastrous. If we are ever to evolve in this direction as a species (not just individuals), it needs time.
edit: lol I didn't even read your whole post Kashluk before posting my crap
my reservations are that even though ideals can be commendable, in practise it can turn out to be a nightmare. Also unnatural acceleration of social change (getting rid of social structures like nations or religions (r-ous groups)) could be disastrous. If we are ever to evolve in this direction as a species (not just individuals), it needs time.
edit: lol I didn't even read your whole post Kashluk before posting my crap
well putBlargh wrote:Unhinged unwitting metafuckery.
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Part truth, part deceptive oversimplification and part outright lies has been the weapon of choice for consipiracy theorists for ages. Luckily these guys aren't smart enough to acquire positions of any significance and are bound to remain marginal. Conspiracy theories stem from incapability and/or unwillingness* to perceive reality as it is.
Unwillingness due to the fact that, in the end, everybody is promoting their own selfish agenda and tin foil hats or communists are no exception.
Unwillingness due to the fact that, in the end, everybody is promoting their own selfish agenda and tin foil hats or communists are no exception.
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[/quote]It isn't the right of any person to tell another what to believe, for no human has a full understanding of anything.
ahahah thats awesome
as for the whole "we need control" thing.. subjective.. i know its a tangent but.. we dont need it to exist.. society needs it to remain a society.. its not needed just to be.
typos are bound to happen. fuck it