While making my mod to change most of the weapons in FoT to their Fallout RPG counterparts, I noticed something fishy. A lot of the weapons have identical stats to Fallout ones (aside from price); for example, the 9mm Beretta is identical to the 10mm Pistol, the AK-47 was indentical to the Assault Rifle, and the Neosted Combat Shotgun was identical to the generic Combat Shotgun. To me this means that they probably began designing the game with Fallout-canon weapons. So, the big question is, why did they deviate from that?
I just thought this would be interesting to share.
Fallouty weapons afoot
Fallouty weapons afoot
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Fallout was a lot better with their post nuke weaponry than the arsenal that FOT provides gamers with.
However I must say that the desert eagle somehow always seemed to fit in. Although I think maybe it should've been more of an uncommon relic.
Anyhow. Is there an info resource that can tell me the stats of the original fallout/2 weapons?
However I must say that the desert eagle somehow always seemed to fit in. Although I think maybe it should've been more of an uncommon relic.
Anyhow. Is there an info resource that can tell me the stats of the original fallout/2 weapons?
I wasn't all that appaled by FOT's selection of weapons, in fact in some ways I liked seeing real world weapons in the mix. What i did'nt likes is the dicked up ammunition selection
notable screw ups are an M14 that fires .303 ammunition
The generic 7.62mm fits both the AK and the M60 and other weapons when in fact they don't share a common ammo type. Russian 7.62 x 39 ammo (AK's) and the 7.62 x 51NATO (M14, M60 etc) should have been implimented. If you are going real world with the weapons and ammo then be accurate.
The bottom line is If they had stuck to FO 1 & 2 weaponry no irritating screw ups like that would have been possible.
There is an old saying that was coined in the early days of RPG board games, "if you want reality then you are missing the point of playing fantasy RPG's," I think that saying holds true today.
notable screw ups are an M14 that fires .303 ammunition
The generic 7.62mm fits both the AK and the M60 and other weapons when in fact they don't share a common ammo type. Russian 7.62 x 39 ammo (AK's) and the 7.62 x 51NATO (M14, M60 etc) should have been implimented. If you are going real world with the weapons and ammo then be accurate.
The bottom line is If they had stuck to FO 1 & 2 weaponry no irritating screw ups like that would have been possible.
There is an old saying that was coined in the early days of RPG board games, "if you want reality then you are missing the point of playing fantasy RPG's," I think that saying holds true today.
I always thought an American M60 could use Soviet rounds. I think I read that somewhere, plus in the movie Blackhawk Down one of the guys takes an AK-47 mag out of a dead militia-man's gun and sticks it in the magazine well on his M60.xbow wrote: The generic 7.62mm fits both the AK and the M60 and other weapons when in fact they don't share a common ammo type. Russian 7.62 x 39 ammo (AK's) and the 7.62 x 51NATO (M14, M60 etc) should have been implimented. If you are going real world with the weapons and ammo then be accurate.
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Above is a comparison between 7.62 x 39 AK ammo(left), the 5.56mm M16 ammo(center), and the 7.62mm x 51 NATO ammunition.
The AK ammo and the M16 ammo are refered to as intermediate power cartridges while the 7.62mm Nato is full power (full power means that the cartridge is in the 30-06 or 7.62mm x 54r class.)
Intermediate cartridges were adopted first by the Germans in WW2 with the introduction of the 7.92mm Kurtz short ammo for the grand daddy of all assault rifles the MP44. The purpose of using intermediate cartridges in light assault rifles is two fold 1) the soldier can carry more ammo 2) the lighter recoil allows him to control the weapon while firing full auto. Today military full power ammo is used mostly in belt fed machine guns and sniper rifles. The FN, G3, and the M14 were selective fire rifles that used full power cartridges but the use of that full power ammunition and the weapons relativly light weight caused thesse guns to be nearly impossible to control on full automatic and hit anything.
Note: those movie guys, the M60 dosen't have a magazine well it only feeds from a belt The SAWW can feed from an M16 magazine or a belt but it is chambered for 5.56mm round
Note: AK slugs are also .311 in diameter while the 7.62Nato slugs have a diameter of .308.
Note: the Head (rim) of the AK measures .444 inch while the Head of the 7.62mm NATO measures 0.545 inch the AK round would rattel around in the M60's chamber
MP44 The mother of all assault rifles.
My history teacher in high school tried to tell us that an AK-47 will chamber a 5.56x45mm cartridge. I told him otherwise, of course. Some people just don't know.
Also, some dumbass in my Political Science class at college said that the assault weapon ban banned full auto weapons. Tard. That is all the fault of the misinformation spewed out by liberal commies, though, so he has an excuse (a slim one though).
Also, some dumbass in my Political Science class at college said that the assault weapon ban banned full auto weapons. Tard. That is all the fault of the misinformation spewed out by liberal commies, though, so he has an excuse (a slim one though).
You can get it here:Burnov wrote:Hey. If you convert any sprites from fallout can you do the 10mm pistol? For some reason the one that you can download at MV's map hub has the half-size weapon portrait as the in game on-the-ground weapon portrait or something.
http://www.geocities.com/utscw/10mmPistol.zip
Keep in mind it's OnTheBounce's sprite and not mine, because I'm using his FO2 graphics pack as he did a much better job at creating Fallout sprites than I did.
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MurPHy
ID-10ts like that professor you spoke of are a constant source of disinformation, half truths, and outright lies. They know they are lying, but they feel that the end justifies the means. Why wouldn’t they feel that way, after all it is THEY that know what’s best for America. It sure is a shame that those degenerate punks have such a golden opportunity to poison the minds of so many young people with their ignorant bullshit.
ID-10ts like that professor you spoke of are a constant source of disinformation, half truths, and outright lies. They know they are lying, but they feel that the end justifies the means. Why wouldn’t they feel that way, after all it is THEY that know what’s best for America. It sure is a shame that those degenerate punks have such a golden opportunity to poison the minds of so many young people with their ignorant bullshit.
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I addressed the issue of them using modern weapons in one of my glorious rants, Boom Bugs? Boom Bugs?! Were they drunk? It's around here somewhere, but you can also find it here.
EDIT: And I just noticed the last post in this thread was months ago, oops. It was on the front page though, so it's not like I went digging through eight pages to find it.
EDIT: And I just noticed the last post in this thread was months ago, oops. It was on the front page though, so it's not like I went digging through eight pages to find it.
